Hey Dean, were do you see in the rules that novices can't run 250? I didn't think the rules had been finalized yet?
It's always been an either/or in our rulebook when riding smaller, slower production bikes. A Novice could choose to run in 250 only, or in Novice, but not both. The reason being is that we limit the number of laps a novice rider can ride in a day as a safety measure. Get your son trained and ride with him in the 250 class! and yes, Ryan is right. Novices do not get scored.
I dont't know about other classes that allow novices, but in the past vintage, now Formula Classic, scored their novices. We also reserved the right to ask them to go back and race with novice, if we deemed that they did not cope well with being passed by faster bikes, and if they had inconsistent lines or behavior on the track. We're planning on continuing this practice, since we want to promote a safe racing and learning environment. If you don't score them and assuming half the 250 class is novice, what implications does it have on contingency and minimum grid size? Did we officially do away with minimum grid sizes with the new scoring rules?
On the 250 Cup sheet that were handed out at the bike show, it says the class is for Intermediate and Expert. But I'm glad to see they will allow Novices, since the closing speeds in Novice class can be scary when you have 250's out there with 750's & 1000's.
It was my understanding also that it was an either or thing. You could run novice or you could run Ninja 250. If as was mentioned you don't cope well with things you could be asked to get experience in Novice for a season.
If I join the WMRC (hence classed as a novice) for the sole purpose to ride in the 250 spec class, does this mean that I won't be scored?
Novices, until they pass their requirement to join intermediate, do not get scored, regardless of the class they ride in. If you do join as a novice, you will be required to pass all requirements, as all past novices have had to pass regardless of which bike you choose to race. It doesn't mean you cannot race, it just means you cannot be scored in the race for contingency, etc. If you are an exceptional rider that is winning as a Novice, then we, the executive and wmrc staff, can choose to bump you up in an accelerated manner. I'll take this up with our referee to verify that this is still the case, but this is done purely for safety reasons.
I read the 2010 rules and posted because of the following: "3.2 The Novice rider classification refers to first time riders. The Novice rider classification will be valid for a period of two years from the date that the license was first issued. If a Novice rider fails to graduate to status after this two year period then he/she must retake a WMRC accredited race school and absorb all costs. Novice riders can advance to Intermediate status after completing these four steps: I. completing 6 race days II. being evaluated for competency by a WMRC official Advancement from Novice to Intermediate classification is at the discretion of your rider representative and the WMRC. You will be a graduated novice for the first few races before your intermediate license is issued." Am I missing III & IV? Do all four need to be satisfied, or only one of the four? Could II be conducted before the first race of the year? Thank you for clearing this up for me.
I and II are both needed. So, as a novice, if you've raced with us almost a whole season, at the end of the season, you can request to be evaluated. If you've not raced with us before, but race raced with other organizations at an intermediate or expert level, we can assess you at the beginning of the season, by contacting your racer rep and getting evaluated on our first practice day this year. If you are just taking our race school now this year, you'd have to express a riding competency greater than your instructors for an immediate bump to intermediate. In other words, Rossi would vouch for you to be an excellent racer, and would say he learned everything from you
*Jay* The 250 class is going to have some of the best expert riders riding. (Meaning, don't be looking for a podium) Whether you are scored or not, your name will still show up on the scoring sheets with your best lap, where you finished and all the same info that the intermediate and expert riders get after a race. All the info will still show up on the "Race Results" tab on the home page. http://www.wmrc.ca/documents/WMRC_2010_Final.htm Can someone from the exec agree or disagree?
Novices will not gain points, and therefore will not really show in the official results. However, they will show finishing positions on the dbcom results, which can be a point of pride and shame, depending on attitude. I hope you come to race with us this year Jay! The 250 class sounds like it's going to be a blast!
Are Int and Exp going to be scored separately if there's enough entries? Otherwise it'll be, in the words of Eric Cartman, "hella-lame". :jerkoff:
The only time we separately score Intermediate and Expert is in 3 classes; Superbike, Open Supersport and 600 Supersport. All other classes are scored as a single race, combined. We don't separate those results. The 250 cup will be scored in the way people finish, unless a Novice Podiums, at which point the next person who is eligible will get the podium.
Great news! After speaking to our main referee, he has agreed to score all riders, Novice included, in the 250 races. So Novices that wish to race the 250 series will get scored. Of course, any Novice that runs in the 250 class also cannot run in the Novice class (no double dipping). All other classes that may allow a novice to run in instead of novice, like middleweight twins, are still as normal with the Novice not getting scored. This is only a special circumstance for the 250 series. So Jay, I hope this helps you, as well as Angus, who can now race 250 and get scored too!
