2013 Rule Book Discussion

Someone has over a 3mm overbore?
2mm overbore is 677.408 cc
3mm overbore is 693.829cc
4mm overbore is 710.447cc

Mine is a 3mm, and I believe so is Ryan's. BTW, that rule has always been there since Middleweight twins was made in 2009. 700cc max.

Horsepower limits will be checked by Dyno at the track, and if you suspect someone has an illegal engine, you can follow the protest procedures.

And yes, the Dyno is coming back like it was when the SV cup was being run. That was 2009, so it hasn't been there for 3 seasons, not 5 or 6.

 

You don't need a dyno to file a protest. If you know a bike is illegal, file the protest. There was no dyno at Westwood and bikes were successfully protested.

 

Dean, give us more details on this dyno coming back. I think its great, by the way. But i've always believed the horsepower limits were too high. Having lower HP limits would keep bikes much closer to stock and make things cheaper for all of us, closer racing to. And its easier to dumb an engine down if you have to.

Would the club be providing free runs before the first race of the season, or will it be just user pay? Mikes dyno?

 

I think it would make sense to make the supersport classes closer to superstock, maybe that would push the faster bikes into the 'premiere' classes of superbike and formula ultra, then we'd have less speed differential and safer races for everyone.

 

Sweet! :thumbup:

 

I didn't race what has that to do with anything? I know people and they say the numbers are down, Portland at one point was almost done. Not sure how cutting people off expands the grids? As for faster bikes being out there, boo hoo, get over it, this IS CLUB RACING, there are no scouts here. Temper tantrums over slower riders and being unprofessional on the track regarding them is simply telling slower racers to pound sand. Didn't realize we had a bunch of Lorenzo's in our club.

See above regarding time cut offs and yes, I've battled up front and come up on lappers and dealt with the issue. Sometimes you win, sometiems you lose, its called racing and again, for the people who don't get it, this is, wait for it, CLUB RACING, there are no scouts, I don't care how fast you are or how fast or expensive your bike is, we are all here for fun, so if lappers piss you off, go somewhere else.

As for the exhaust rule, sorry but that is simply the dumbest thing the club can do and WILL piss off the owners of the track AND piss off racers who won't get there money back, especially if they drive from Calgary etc. Sorry the new execs don't get it. Seems to me they are out for themselves and not the club.

I have no problem with the new committee, but couldn't find out who is in it so thanks for clarifying.

Dyno coming back is great but who's paying for all this? With numbers down and riders being black flagged for noise violations, this is going to be a poor year.

 

Mike will be back, and runs for the racers will cost. We are going to pay Mike for the races that we want dynoed. Any individual work is between Mike and the racer.

Our previous horsepower limits were based on the Canadian superbike rules. Now our HP limits should be more in line with AMA/WMRRA/OMRRA specs.

 

Don't listen to the doomsdayers and negitive people, cough Sim... cough. The commitee of people with the clubs best interest , agreed on these and now its up to the club as a whole to do our best to make the season great, and discuss in the fall whether they were all good or not.

 

I agree, the exec has my support and I will be out as much as I can, but with the rules as they are now I won't be racing, and neither will almost a third of the super sport grid. So I am wondering what the plan is for the intermediate riders that are cut off the grid. Do we go back and race with the novices?

 

opinions are like assholes....everybody has one.simon simply states the truth and facts.i feel a rules committee should not be made up of anyone from the exec.most of the new rules are ok....yes,the rules don't affect me,still i don't see them working for most as for the club that is....so,is this about a select few or as a whole?that's why it's called club racing.i see a lot of people pushed aside.a lot of unanswered questions.i see a lot of grey area.

 

Negative? Ok, you deal with the noise, your in charge.

Trying to kick people out of wait for it, CLUB RACING for being too slow is ridiculous. We have smaller and smaller grids every year so what a great way to expand the club, penalize slower riders, brilliant. This brilliant idea was brought up because a few can't deal with a lappers, which pay to race and I bet some aren't coming back due to that rule. If that's being negative, guilty as charged.

Thanks but it seems if you don't agree, your negative or stirring the pot. This thread was started to discuss and that ended quickly.

 

this is my 2cents.....

in my opinion the exec's, rules committee, and the new competition committee should all contain different members...it is
a conflict of interest! too many of the same hands in the pot makes it one sided and not objective.

are we not a club and have a say in what happens with our club as a paying member? well i do not feel a part of a club when
new rules are presented and not brought forward to vote upon, they are pretty much set in stone and crammed down out throats
to live with.


sure the "stock mufflers" have been removed but the "88db" is there...this what i see happening.."racer-x" from track "X"
comes pays and then goes over...oh sorry you cant race because of it and sorry no refunds (and well we all know that 600's
with full systems are LOUD and even with defusers i feel will not pass)...that equals a pissed off out of town racer not to come back

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i would these questions answered...

why do we have to be like other tracks?
if you want to be like other tracks... use the 120% rule then i know this rule will kill alot of existing riders and
well i do not feel that larger grids will bring more ppl to watch and well mission is not in my opinion a big enough venue
to accommodate a 30 bike field.

what happens to the existing intermediates?

 

Back in the glory days, lol, we had much larger grids, 50+ riders per RACE, it was tough to grid but it was awesome, now, lucky to get 10,

 

wowm I'm looking forward to the qualifiers. If I want to race in the what used to be my races, I now have to go bat shit crazy throw it all the to the wind and start stuffing fools in my way. Guess if I want to be competitive I better go and spend more money, get some go fast trick bits, add more hp and change tires every session whew this motogp stuff sure gets complicated. makes me long for some safe, fun club racing.

 

^^LOL.

Ok, my last rant on the exhaust then I am done. I've been thru all the exhaust debate since day one, it wasn't pretty and still isn't but just remember this, we are literally guests at Mission, the drags and I can't remember if the car club is, are grandfathered meaning they CAN'T be kicked out, for anything but we can, so if we cause them issues in which they get heat, guess what, we will be told to leave and never come back. Just remember that.

 

Naw, sell your bike, buy a formula classic eligible bike,(leaving some money in your pocket), and come have some fun. Though if you bring out a bike between 576 and 599cc it'll be a real head scratcher.

 

I'm still looking in the WMRRA and OMRRA rule books for the 120% reference, could someone point it out for me?

And FWIW I think it'd be a good rule if all committee chairs were elected at the AGM. Kind of a separation of church and state thing.

 

It's true! Formula Classic is looking like the most fun and most affordable racing. Almost has a grass roots feel to it. Go figure.