race fees

Discussion in 'Ask the Exec!' started by andre331, Nov 16, 2017.

  1. andre331

    andre331 New Member

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    Hi Everyone on the exec, I'm feeling way better and looking forward to next season. Its time to go back to my thorn in your side status with the following proposal( again).... with that much money in the bank account how about lowering the race fees?
     
  2. jcathie

    jcathie Member

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    Andre, I am so glad to hear you are healing up just fine.

    First, we need to spend a lot of money in the off-season to repair the Air Fence and replace the dead decoder. Then, there is the thought to set money aside for re-paving the Turn 7, 8, 9 complex. SCCBC doesn't use it and we do. It's only fair we cover some or even all of the cost when the need arises.

    I'm sure that will be a topic for discussion at the next meeting.

    Al made clear to me that only expenses that help put bikes on the track are going to be acceptable under his leadership and I support that conservatism. There may be other expenses that help grow the club but it's his final say on those strategies. He's DA BOSS.

    Lowering fees is certainly a nice-to-have but it's not up to me.
     
  3. andre331

    andre331 New Member

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    Thanks John, I just wanted to point out that making racing more attractive financially than a track day might help more new racers come out and let the rest of us maybe enter a 2nd or 3rd class. I know there are factors other than cost that have been keeping people away, but I think that enough time has past and with the hard work and positive attitude of Jasons time as club president maybe its time for the club to reach out to some past members who left with less than warm fuzzy feelings about how they were treated
     
  4. Andrew Marles

    Andrew Marles Moderator

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    Andre, I hear what you're saying about the race fees, but I'm not sure that they are really that much more than a trackday though if you look at the numbers. If you are not a racer, a trackday costs $190 with the WMRC. On average, that means 5 x 15 minute sessions per day. Now if you enter 2 classes with the WMRC, the cost is $180 (less than a trackday) and that gets you 2 practice sessions and 2 races. The amount of actual track time (laps) is actually pretty close to what you will get at a trackday, and the intensity is much higher. To me 1 minute of racing is better than 3 minutes of open track. If I run 3 classes then the cost is $225, so yes, that day is more than a trackday by 35 dollars. When you consider the extra time and effort that goes into the race days, I think the additional cost is pretty reasonable. But that is just my opinion, and while I don't think that the difference is that significant, there potentially a delta if you go up to the price cap; which has not changed since it was introduced in 2011, despite rising event costs.

    The WMRC actually offers a discount for racers, mostly just out of respect for WCSS and their tradition and because we are a race club. No other trackday organization in the northwest does anything like that. A practice day with WMRRA costs a lot more than a trackday with OPRT at the Ridge.
     
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  5. Ryan Whittle

    Ryan Whittle Rider of Orange V-Twins

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    From a race fee perspective, it *feels* like it's expensive. Most of our race dates are double headers and not spaced out terrible far apart (I know this isn't the club's fault, just the reality of the situation).

    For me at least, dropping close to $500 on entry fees for the weekend only to do it again a few weeks later gets tough to justify. Running 3 classes a day for $350 - $400 would make it a bit more palatable.
     
  6. *Jay*

    *Jay* Member WMRC Exec

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    Give me a list of "past members who left with less than warm fuzzy feelings about how they were treated" and I will happily contact them and invite them to enjoy the current environment within the WMRC.

    I would only be echoing Andrews stance on race fees and I feel that he has summed it up perfectly. That being said I think that It is usually a bit more expensive to race than do a track day, that is a simple fact once you consider all of the consumables. I know that I generally didn't go through tires on my 600 at the same rate on a trackday as racers did on raceday. So even if the entry fee was the exact same the cost to participate would still differ. I still I find it WAY more exciting to race than ride laps at a trackday and I cannot be the only one that feels this way. I enjoy both but there is no comparison.
     
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  7. BikeMike

    BikeMike New Member

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    Whats wrong with the dead decoder if its electronic want me to see if I can fix it before replacing it?
     
  8. Andrew Marles

    Andrew Marles Moderator

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    They took the old decoder back on 'trade.'
     
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  9. jcathie

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    The deal is done. I should have the new electronics in my grimy little mitts this Thursday.

    The tricky thing with proprietary electronics is they'll sand the identifying part numbers off IC's, et al in order to make it difficult to reverse engineer or repair. Plus, the case is riveted closed inside the 4 rubber feet, so those would have to be drilled out (they really don't want people opening them up).
     
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  10. jcathie

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    It is a trade in transaction, though they haven't mentioned any requirement for me to send the old hardware back to them.

    Technically it's a trade-in and upgrade transaction. We're trading in an old single loop decoder and getting a 2 decoder system in return along with all the incidental features of upgraded hardware and software.

    If we ever wanted to go to the expense of adding sector times, they made it a lot easier to do it with GPS location and GPS satellite clock synchronization for the decoders and server.

    Lord only knows what I'm going to discover in the Orbits 5 software.
     
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  11. BikeMike

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    This sounds like the red transponders to replace the batteries you have to cut the case open, but still possible, I do it all the time :)
     
  12. jcathie

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    Replacing a battery is one thing. Identifying electronic components without any identifying marks is something else. But I have the new gear and now I have 30 days to ship the dead one back.

    But you could have a steady supply of customers needing new batteries.
     
  13. joseph therrien

    joseph therrien Past President

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    One important thing that has not been mentioned in this discussion of race fees and the cost of racing: The elected executive officers of this club are obliged by the Societies Act to be financially responsible for the debts of the club. This goes a long way to explain why our elected officers act so finanacially conservative. It costs the club over $10,000 a day to run an event; whether 10 racers show up or 100. If you have a bad weather weekend and few racers show, the club must still pay the track rental, insurance fee, and ambulance cost, just to mention the three biggest costs. Get two rainy events in a row and your previously healthy bank account can evaporate. As John Cathie mentioned the club also needs with some regularity to upgrade equipment. Our AirFence which is now over 10 years old and needs to be maintained as well. Just how much of a financial cushion we need depends on where you are standing. A healthy bank account insures the club can survive.
     
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