proposed rulebook changes

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  1. Dean

    Dean Just a beer league racer

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    These are the proposed changes to the rulebook. You'll need the existing rulebook to know what is changing in the chapters:


    4.11 minimum of 3 starting riders to score in a class.

    5.1 on two day events, next tech is just a rollthru

    6.1 helmet must be snell 2010 or ece-2205, helmet must be no older than 5 years old from date of manufacture, for 2012, Snell 2005 will be accepted, but be warned!

    7.1 novice - Novices on 600 inline-4 bikes are isolated to Novice-Open class. All other smaller bike novices, run their own respective classes that they are allowed to run.

    7.3 250 to mirror Seattle's rules except stock unmolested mechanically baffled muffler is required.

    7.4 re-clarify 600cc 15 years old and older.

    7.5 600 supersport - fully combined int/exp combined scoring.

    7.6 open supersport - fully combined int/exp combined scoring.

    7.7 BOTT - Fully combined scoring between heavyweight and middleweight - open to up to 748cc. Gridding done by seasons points.

    7.8 Superbike to have 4 lap qualifier, then 2 mains. Scored combined. q- 2 pts first place, 2 12 lap mains.

    7.9 Formula Classic -

    7.10 remove and clarify

    7.11 - remove

    7.12 Fast 25
    • Open to all Intermediate and Expert racers.
    • Motorcycle must meet Superbike technical requirements.
    • Entrants will be restricted to the fastest 25 racers from the Saturday (or Friday) Practice times as recorded by the WMRC timing system.
    • Gridding will be determined by laptimes (as recorded by the club timing system) the fastest lap time will be gridded first and so on.
    • If there are more than 25 entries then those that qualify 26th or lower will not race but they will have their entry fee refunded.
    • This is a non-championship race. (no points awarded)
    this MUST be a second class and cannot be your only race for the day
    • There is a cash payout to the top three finishers based on a percentage of the “Fast 25” entrance money. The payout schedule is as follows: approximately 50% to first place, 30% to second place and 20% to third place. (For example: 20 entries X $30 entrance fee = $600 total. The WMRC would take 33% as race track fees ($200) leaving a purse of $400 for the race. First would get $200, second would get $120, third would get $80.) The more racers in the race, the more prize money there will be.
    7 lap race
    • Winner can not enter for the rest of the season

    12.9 Race finishing order protests: All race results are posted at the tech shack during the day. Any protests on finishing order, should be submitted to your riders reprepentative by 5pm or end of race day. race finishing order protests are not subject to $25 fee. See section 17.4.

    16.1 - delete

    16.5 change to 50%

    16.27 no race day refunds. Refunds granted by form only, and only for whole events. If you put a tire to track, for one entire lap, you are not eligible for refunds.
     
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  2. Dean

    Dean Just a beer league racer

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    If you have any questions, comments or concerns, now is the time to voice them.
     
  3. Ryan Whittle

    Ryan Whittle Rider of Orange V-Twins

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    What was the reasoning behind restricting OSS to Intermediate only?

    With regards to BOTT, I would like to see a HP limit of 85 or 90HP to discourage SV riders from building grenades to keep up with a 748. It would also ensure 748 riders are on a stock motor.
     
  4. Dean

    Dean Just a beer league racer

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    whoops! that's been fixed. We were only toying with that earlier, but thought better of it. OSS is both Exp/Int

    We'll take HP limits under advisement. The only problem with that, is the policing of it. It means we need to have a dyno on hand again.
     
  5. vanilla18

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    Is the "re-clarify 600cc 15 years old and older." referring to the 600 tfs? If it is I was sort of assuming that we would have the age restriction somewhere inline with wmmra's 8years.
     
  6. Andrew Marles

    Andrew Marles Moderator

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    I have a question about 250 and novices. Some friends have expressed interest in the 250 class, in part because of the rule change that happened in 2011 where 250s could enter both Novice and 250 production, giving them 3 races per day from the beginning. From the proposed rule change, it seems that novices on a 250 will now be restricted to running only 1 race per day, the 250 production. Is this how it's going to work?

    I think even just having the HP limits in the rules for BOTT would serve as a deterrent to building grenades, even if there isn't always a dyno present. There are already HP limits for intermediate and expert 600 SS so it isn't without precedent.
     
  7. Reckless

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    250's should be able to run 250, formula 118, (you'll never break out) and the formula classic if it runs. So 3 races per day.
    I don't know how the practices will work for Novices and the smaller displacement bikes. Will they run Novice practice for all novices or just the 600 and over novices?
     
  8. Eddie 59

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    agreed. cheap racing needs to come back to mission. And yes, I know that you can buy a fully built 90hp SV for $4000 ( that is cheap) but....
     
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    Angus is correct.No more 2 races a day limit for "smart" novices .Get a 250 ( or Sv ,or Formula classic or?) bike and run at least three classes.AND get scored for points and contingency.
    Horspower limits? really? If you want HP limits then the same logic would require chassis mod limits.Check the entry lists for a huge increase in entries since SV CUP was dropped and racers could modify their bikes.
    As well as the fact that ( at Mission ) horsepower does not guarantee success.Let them build grenades,my 75hp sv will finish every race I enter,unlike the two built high powered SV that came out last year.
     
  10. Ryan Whittle

    Ryan Whittle Rider of Orange V-Twins

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    See, Kelly confirmed my bike isn't a high horsepower built SV...
     
  11. HWY99

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    Re: rule 7.1 novice
    If 600cc novice riders were allowed to enter F118 last season can they continue to do so next season? If so, can they do the slow/medium practice same as the other F118 riders?
     
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  13. tt600

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    Is int/exp.still seperated at the end of the year? i understand a person will be scored in whatever the position they cross the finish line.how will this look on paper for contigency...assuming it will be offered by michelin or pirelli?
     
  14. bigga_boy

    bigga_boy Livin' The Dream WMRC President

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    so....when do we get to vote "NO" on some of these proposed changes?
     
  15. Reckless

    Reckless New Member

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    Show up at the next meeting?
     
  16. Brett

    Brett Twin Brothers Racing WMRC Exec

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    When, not how. I'd like to know that date as well. Thx
     
  17. Dean

    Dean Just a beer league racer

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    If you have concerns, we'd like to voice them to your rider rep in writing, or show up at the next meeting on January 16th.

    To confirm the scoring for Int/Exp races. Here is an example:

    600SS is being run with 18 riders on the grid. It is a combined grid with both black and red numbers. The 10 laps are run, and the finishing order is: black, black, red, black, red, black, black, red, red, red, etc.

    The riders will be scored separately by classification, so the first black gets 25 points in expert. The second black gets 20 points in expert. The 3rd red gets 16 points in Intermediate, etc.

    So, for an intermediate, even though you came in 3rd, and you only get 16 points, you still come in with the highest points for intermediate. You still were the first intermediate across the line, so for contingency, you should still get it. It's the way we used to score, and somewhere along the line a new scoring person changed it up about 6 years ago. We are going back to the old way, which is much easier and makes for better racing. Now when on the track, you don't slow down saying "oh he's a black number, I'm not racing against him". Yes, you are racing for position! It also makes it VERY hard to skip a race and still hope to keep your position for the end tally of points.

    Also, with regards to Fast25, we are still not sure we can fit this in the schedule. It's just to go into the rulebook for this year, but right now, our proposed schedule is pretty tight.

    If you were in F118 last season, you need to speak to your rider rep to see about red numbers this year. Novices will only ever practice in Group 3, Novice.
     
  18. Reckless

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    Thanks Dean
     
  19. tt600

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    thanks dean,just wanted to get clarification for some of our members.regarding contigency,it will be important on how it's inputed with michelin or pirelli.
     
  20. Andrew Marles

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    Yeah, thanks Dean (and the rest of the rulebook committee). I know it's impossible to please everyone.
     

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